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#1 30.May.18 19:24:25

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Half Way House

Anyone know if it’s a permanent closure or are they awaiting a new manager/landlord/landlady?


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#2 30.May.18 21:15:40

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What, again ?  It doesn’t seem two minutes since it shut last time.  I remember it as being an alright sort of pub.


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#3 30.May.18 21:27:28

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The brewery needs a good kicking.... Seems that everytime it starts to pick up it closes.


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#4 30.May.18 23:40:09

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Tony wrote:

Anyone know if it’s a permanent closure or are they awaiting a new manager/landlord/landlady?



It was supposed to open Tuesday after Bank Holiday but the new landlord has the Junction at Denshaw so he was more concerned that he would be short staffed for the Band Contest,

It would appear that next Monday 4th June could be the day although no signage is posted yet to advise,

Varying opinions say they are trying to rid there self of the drinking clients has they are going to open it has a food led outlet every one says that food at the venue will do Ok at weekends but you need wet trade early week to keep things going,

And Friday Saturday entertainment so Diners will stay after eating but only time will tell they are supposed to be a new vibrant couple that have turned the Junction round but the Halfway House on a busy road weekdays in Royton is a different kettle of fish,

The wet trade clients are the backbone of the Halfway House trade and it will pay the bills,

The Landlady told a customer if it does not take off this time J W Lees will consider selling the plot for housing development so its use it or lose it,

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#5 30.May.18 23:47:08

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Penguin wrote:

The brewery needs a good kicking.... Seems that everytime it starts to pick up it closes.




A former Licensee took it on in March 2013 a three year lease at £22k a year, 18 months later August 2014 unable to make it pay she left she was paying £47k they get someone to build it up then kick them to death with high rents,

Strange business model to let successful people walk away and have 4 years of mediocrity,


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#6 30.May.18 23:54:38

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It was really successful about 10-15 years ago. 
Seemed to have good food, and a regular drinking crowd.

Then whoever the landlord was must have left, and it seems like since then it’s been up and down, with various kinds of entertainment, and different kinds of food.  Some attempts at fancy food that didn’t seem such a good idea.

I would have thought it has enough housing estates nearby to make it successful


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#7 31.May.18 08:14:21

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What Rach said.  With Grassmere across the road and Oozewood and Tandlewood Park behind you would think there would be a really good community pub there.

I think Woody hits the nail on the head, a greedy brewery punishing a successful landlord.


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#8 31.May.18 08:25:46

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Thanks for the info Woody, the Turks Head manages ok on food sales and doesn't seem to bother about attracting the drinkers as it used to, some evenings the owner says he could lock the doors at 9-30, the Half Way needs to get the food and pricing spot on from the start to be as successful as the Turks and that won't be easy.

I went up to the Junction at Denshaw a few weeks back for a meal (It's dog friendly) the food was excellent but at the higher price end.


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#9 31.May.18 09:03:07

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LittleRach wrote:

I would have thought it has enough housing estates nearby to make it successful

Just goes to show that people have bought into the "home cinema" concept.  Why make the effort to go to a local pub when you can get some cheap beer and dips & tortillas from Lidi and watch your favourite films/programmes on TV in your onesie! roll


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#10 31.May.18 09:51:49

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Well yes Penguin and with big screen tellys and a few neighbours you like as opposed to being surrounded in the pub with people that perhaps you won’t its a no brainier isn’t it.


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#11 31.May.18 11:36:16

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exile wrote:

What Rach said.  With Grassmere across the road and Oozewood and Tandlewood Park behind you would think there would be a really good community pub there.

I think Woody hits the nail on the head, a greedy brewery punishing a successful landlord.

It's a shame, pUBS are part of our cultural heritage.   Oddly,some of the areas seemingly successful pubs have far less of an obvious catchment area (Horton, Rose) within a short walk ...   yet they stay busy.


A decent quiz, reasonable mid week food, a nice Sunday offering and a pleasant interior shouldn't be too hard to achieve, and should bring in the locals.

I would flyer all the estates with a loyalty offer of some kind to kick start the relaunch -  old school marketing but works for coffee shops.

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#12 31.May.18 12:06:42

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I have often thought that some pubs in the right area would be successful as doubling up as a coffee shop mid mornings, say up to 11.30am. There's usually parking space whereas in small towns like Royton centre that is a problem. Customers want to be able to leave their cars nearby.

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#13 31.May.18 12:50:45

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I'm one of those annoying people who go in pubs during the day and ask for a coffee. I am usually served with one, I don't really see why not?
I don't mind going into pubs like everyone else but if it's during the day I want a nice coffee, not alcohol, so Erin's suggestion would probably work well.


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#14 31.May.18 14:33:31

exile
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The building is on a busy main road and has a car park so you might suppose that coffee and perhaps freshly made sandwiches would attract passing trade.


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#15 31.May.18 14:36:48

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Tabbycat wrote:

I'm one of those annoying people who go in pubs during the day and ask for a coffee. I am usually served with one, I don't really see why not?
I don't mind going into pubs like everyone else but if it's during the day I want a nice coffee, not alcohol, so Erin's suggestion would probably work well.

I'm seeing more people drinking tea or coffee in the evening too - Probably the designated driver who doesn't want lots of fizzy stuff!


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#16 31.May.18 15:49:06

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Last time we went in, which was a few weeks ago I must admit, I had a coffee as I was driving & very nice it was too.


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#17 31.May.18 16:15:41

Tony
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The Turks has pretty much gone unchallenged food wise for many years now though the Puck is ok food wise, if a little dearer, and yet retains the drinkers side of things. It's a difficult call for J.W. Lees to get right with the Half Way balancing between the foodies and the drinkers.


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#18 31.May.18 19:36:11

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Tony wrote:

Thanks for the info Woody, the Turks Head manages ok on food sales and doesn't seem to bother about attracting the drinkers as it used to, some evenings the owner says he could lock the doors at 9-30, the Half Way needs to get the food and pricing spot on from the start to be as successful as the Turks and that won't be easy.

I went up to the Junction at Denshaw a few weeks back for a meal (It's dog friendly) the food was excellent but at the higher price end.



Food at the Turks is plain but well done at competitive prices last time I was in Steak strips in Pepper Sauce for £11-00 Somerset Pork in Cider similar


I think prices are the key to food it was September last year I was in the Puckersly a Burger various fillings up to £9-95 Sunday Lunch £8-95 two courses £11-95 take a family with two children its £40 to £50 for a Sunday lunch and a drink,

And Pub food can be bland to cater for all taste no butter on Veg absence of Salt,

Some Pub Chefs can burn water that's why they work in Pubs at the lower end if they were good they would be in top Hotels in Manchester,

To succeed at the Halfway house the day has to vary Pensioners choice at Lunch Evening menu entertainment Quiz night, Friday Saturday to cater for the local wet trade and entice diners to stay on,


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#19 01.Jun.18 19:26:21

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About 5-6 years ago I remember Diane running it and it was brilliant. Half decent food and a really good atmosphere that attracted and kept some decent clientele.

Once she had gone it was taken over and building work commenced and to be honest it was never the same.

All the people that made it went elsewhere.

The first time I went in after she left it kicked off and the police came.

I didn't bother for a while but tried it again a few months later expecting it to be packed on a Saturday night but it was dead.

I never bothered after that.


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#20 01.Jun.18 23:12:34

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We live a stone's throw from the half way house and have not been near for a few years. If the food was good and the prices reasonable then we would start going again.
I'd pop in with friends too Tabby for coffee and a snack(toasted T cake, scone etc)and a natter.

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#21 04.Jun.18 23:21:37

Tony
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Did they reopen today?


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#22 05.Jun.18 18:57:25

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Tony wrote:

Did they reopen today?






Chalk board out side today but nothing written on it everyone is mystified closed so long the story is it will reopen has Halfway House Restaurant it appears they are not to bothered about the client base that have supported its wet trade for years.

The Fruit Machine and Pool table have gone and I have heard there will be no entertainment Friday Saturday its asking a lot for a Pub in that position to run a Food only with drinks available operation its hardly a country Pub with passing trade,


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#23 05.Jun.18 21:55:06

Tony
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Looks like they are trying the Turks Head model concentrating on meals, the drinkers have largely deserted there in favour of the Puckersley.


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#24 05.Jun.18 23:09:05

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Tony wrote:

Looks like they are trying the Turks Head model concentrating on meals, the drinkers have largely deserted there in favour of the Puckersley.




I hear they run the Junction at Denshaw the same way but at 9-30 on a Saturday apart from a few locals its dead having done the food but its good but not cheap,


Only time will tell when they eventually open it or it will crash and burn it cannot survive on food only were it is, ?


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#25 06.Jun.18 09:09:29

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As some-one who has never been into the Half Way House I really cannot make any suggestions but it seems to me that for the past few years each successive landlord hasn't been able to make it a viable business.  If the new people want to try something different, good for them,  it all takes time to build up a new client base, from what I can remember the Junction at Denshaw was a failing pub so if they have turned that round hopefully they will have a success with the HWH.  Good luck to them.  smile

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#26 07.Jun.18 22:38:27

nola
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If they do good food they'll hopefully get a reputation and make a go of it.


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#27 07.Jun.18 22:53:13

Tony
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It's open.


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#28 07.Jun.18 22:54:56

nola
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woooo! Must try it!


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#29 07.Jun.18 23:16:16

Woody
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Tony wrote:

It's open.




Called in tonight Bitter up from £2-80 to £ 3-00,

Only £2-00 at a Sam Smiths outlet,

The Halfway House Golf Society meet once a month the last to meetings have had two be held at the Junction,

I have been told tonight that the landlady does not want them back.


Saturday Evening food will finish at 9 Oclock last bell close at eleven,

And there are no plans to bring entertainment back the locals who have drunk in there for over 40 years have been totally abandoned,

Only time will tell,

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#30 08.Jun.18 07:05:08

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It's a bit unfair to compare any pub prices with a Sam Smith pub.... Even Wetherspoons struggling to beat them.


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#31 08.Jun.18 07:05:16

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I know it seems harsh for the regulars who like to have extra drinking time but how many are we talking about?  If you have invested a lot of money into a business you need to try to recoup the outlay.

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#32 08.Jun.18 08:13:37

Tony
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They now need to get a few good reviews on Tripadvisor as the Junction has done with a 67% excellence rating.
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restauran … gland.html


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#33 08.Jun.18 08:16:46

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The Halfway House Golf Society meet once a month the last to meetings have had to be held at the Junction,
I have been told tonight that the landlady does not want them back.

Oh my goodness what sort of a Hells Chapter are they then    lol


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#34 08.Jun.18 09:52:34

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exile wrote:

The Halfway House Golf Society meet once a month the last to meetings have had to be held at the Junction,
I have been told tonight that the landlady does not want them back.

Oh my goodness what sort of a Hells Chapter are they then    lol

I've known a few Hells Angels and they are pussycats compared to a Golf Society...Probably the best option banning them! lol


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#35 08.Jun.18 10:22:05

Tony
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lol Exile & Penguin


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#36 08.Jun.18 14:43:02

Tony
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I was talking to my neighbour who manages a JW Lees pub he knows Barry & Christine from the Junction, who have taken the HW over, he tells me they specialise in turning pubs round they move from pub to pub as tenants to make them successfull again.


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#37 08.Jun.18 15:29:19

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That sounds promising then


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