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#1 14.Jun.18 22:10:00

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The Metrolink

Not strictly about Royton but about the Oldham Metro system

Trams ground to a halt once again today after teenagers have been hurling bricks at trams. Windows were smashed and children were showered with glass.

https://www.facebook.com/ManchesterEveningNews/

One man said:

"Metrolink staff were already onboard and told passengers to move to the middle and away from the windows because stones were being thrown at the trams".

No one was seriously hurt this time but that was pure luck and not good management.

Most of the trouble happens on the Oldham/Rochdale line.

Something has got to be done about it. We must be the laughing stock of the country letting louts  get away with this.

It makes me so mad because it was only last year that a poor driver was seriously injured and spent a long time in hospital after being hit by a slab of concrete through his windscreen. He's probably never got over it and doubtless never went back to work.
They want catching and throw away the key.

How long before Metrolink decide to pull out of Oldham and Rochdale for safety reasons?


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#2 15.Jun.18 18:22:36

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News artical not read but i think this may about the Newbold incident where Morrisons is, because the stone throwers are under age they cant be held responcible, however there has been incidents of adults fighting on the trams on this stretch of line and all covered by the CCTV cameras above each doorway, the driver can watch who gets on and can order people off the tram by a public address system without leaving his cab, when then bring bikes on with them for instance, these fights have increased including those on station platforms, vandalism to ticket machines have all been recorded by platform cameras and  makes the Oldham-Rochdale line the worst in Gtr Manchester, the increase has been 150% over the last year alone.   Other districts have the same problem but not as high in numbers.

Metrolink police teams who board the trams to check on tickets cover every door when inspectors are doing their job and police officers cover the platforms, its impressive but this does not prevent the stoning or the fighting as they do not patrol the route, they ride the line between stops during the day and they cant cover every hour they are running unless someone can confirm this during the evenings, clearly these fights appear to be at night,  if trams are taken out of service for repairs that hits the passengers.

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#3 15.Jun.18 20:48:46

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I heard it was in Hollinwood.

http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news- … -are-up-to

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#4 15.Jun.18 21:33:58

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You are right, Ridge, it takes trams out of service and people end up on buses when they've paid for a tram.
Similarly when objects are thrown on the line and all the trams have to stop for the day while it is investigated.

I know of at least 2 people who are back on the bus this weekend as they've decided the metro is too dangerous and too much hassle, not knowing if you will get home on a tram or if you will be stranded, as a friend of mine was yesterday when all the trams were taken out of service.


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#5 15.Jun.18 21:36:50

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Why is the Oldham chron calling it Anti social behaviour? I would describe it as attempted murder. What else would you expect to happen if a brick hit someone in the head/face?


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#6 16.Jun.18 07:57:45

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For anyone to gain access to any section of the track between Victoria and Rochdale in cases like this would be difficult, its built in such a way on cuttings and embankments  then lined by property, add the bridged sections at Monsal, the tunnels and the high walls which are all plastered in graffiti, it shows persons are on the lines at night other than security, the fact is the lines are open to abuse and very difficult to stop, even at the first incidents calls for a security presence onboard the trams have gone unheeded and the filthy conditions along the track also,  their main priority has always been on passenger journeys and taking traffic and buses entering the city off the roads, these incidents of violence and stone throwing have been left to die away  on their own without any attention be paid to it, the fare evasion  problem was just about money but anything else was just disregarded as a social problem a few posters and warning signs would correct with the danger and risk  to the offenders themselves being more prominant than the effect on the passengers sitting next to a window or door or 'straying' onto a station platform thats open and deserted with gangs roaming about who are bent on causing damage because no one is around to prevent it, this should by all intent reduce passengers numbers , untill is does nothing will be done as it needs funding to pay for it, they want a service that has no extra costs and one that only creates profit to repay the investment, if that falters they will will still say the benefits outweigh the negatives so has to be supported and subsidised to grow the system.

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#7 16.Jun.18 14:30:38

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On the tram at the moment on my way home from Manchester. Alert all the time, phone ready for photos. Shouldn’t be like this.
Police support just got on at South Chadderton.

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#8 16.Jun.18 14:54:07

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Mags wrote:

On the tram at the moment on my way home from Manchester. Alert all the time, phone ready for photos. Shouldn’t be like this.
Police support just got on at South Chadderton.

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#9 18.Jun.18 08:43:53

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Further to this topic and ref'to Mags post #3, an artical in the Reporter newspaper (Thur' 14th June) told how Freehold station was having problems, a serious assault had taken place there but it was the petty crime that was going on  that caused Jim McMahon MP  and local councillors to set up a meeting with TfGM to discuss the problems and find a solution, as your aware this station is close to the decrepit Hartford Mill, from memory the platform has a close boarded fence on that side and is open on the other with modern housing in the distance on lower ground, the story was gravel from the tracks and bottles was being thrown into their gardens.... a distance of 50 yards i think unless there were closer properties behind the fence close to the derelect mill.

They decided to make the fence higher, it was 2 mtrs high before and cover the tracks with mesh to prevent the gravel or loose chunky stone rail foundation being picked up and used as missiles plus added CCTV, the rails would be above this mesh but how can that be protected from being taken up if youths were already on the tracks arming themselves with stone with trams running every 6 minutes in both directions, it was hailed as a great success and everyone was thanked for attending, any traveller will know the tracks between the stn' platforms are littered to high heaven with rubbish and litter and TfGM will not allow staff to work on the tracks to remove it while they are running for safety reasons, there is no responce to cctv coverage that people are on the tracks so what faith have we in these decisions it will end the problem ?

Mags mentioned Hollinwood as a trouble spot, every station on the line is a trouble spot, where Oldham is concerned it starts at Failsworth  and extends to Shaw, the rest is in Rochdale and that too is troubled, and its easy to see why, in the days of the railways we had stations that were manned and buildings on the platforms with waiting rooms, and the tracks were fenced off, now its nothing more than a shelter open to the weather, unstaffed and lined with trees without fencing giving cover for gangs of youths, at night the stations are open to anyone when the trams are out of service, in the mornings you can see the result of that.

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#10 18.Jun.18 10:26:21

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This is all grim - although as I have said before, as a fairly frequent user, never seen a bit of trouble.

Also - the Oldham line gets awful PR locally, in conversations and regionally in the media (rightly so, after some horrible events) ... BUT  it is not alone.

The Chorlton / Didsbury section tops the list in the MEN ...   but they seem to have better PR - must be all the artisan bakers joining forces with the bijou coffee shop owners...

See the recent report below.

"It reveals the worst-hit stops are: St Werburgh’s Road on the Airport/East Didsbury line in Chorlton (63), Martinscroft on the Airport line on Hollyhedge Road in Wythenshawe (40), and Derker on the Oldham/Rochdale line between January 2016 and March 28 2018."

Also - the 'worst' areas of our local line  are not, despite popular belief, the stretch through Werneth, Freehold, Oldham centre and Derker -  they are Shaw and also Monsall, as the report clarifies.

Not to underplay the awful events at Freehold, or the general unruly nature of some people - but there is an undercurrent in some coverage / discussion of the 'problem areas' that are, by some coincidence, largely the Asian neighbourhoods ... and yet Mosnall and Shaw are predominantly white, working class areas.   

As is the area between Chorlton and Didsbury.

"During that time there were 319 recorded incidents on the Oldham and Rochale Line with Monsall, Shaw and Crompton the biggest targets"


https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk … t-14614760

The Oldham line has seen the biggest increase in reports - but that is perhaps due to it being new, and havning a slow initial take up in numbers.

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